* 海外のgawkerというサイトでこの問題が取り上げられました。 http://gawker.com/5027479/made+up-japanese-sex-stories 魚拓: http://s02.megalodon.jp/2008-0722-1422-51/gawker.com/5027479/made+up-japanese-sex-stories 客観的に日本がどう思われているかを知るいい機会だと思いましたので このサイトに投稿されたコメントの訳を載せておきます。 (&bold(){この訳は不十分かつ、誤訳を含んでいる可能性があります。} &bold(){特に分からなかったところには(？？？)と記してありますので、識者の方がおりましたら加筆修正をお願いします。}) * Comments &color(darkred){Image of Swifter Swifter at 05:10 PM on 07/21/08} >The made up stories are always the best ones anyway. 作られた話はいつも面白いものだ。 &color(darkred){Image of shamusjack shamusjack at 05:12 PM on 07/21/08} >We became more and more suspicious after the last article involved a donkey blowing santa with a banana stripping to jon denver songs. ？？？ &color(darkred){Image of Randall Tex Cobb Randall Tex Cobb at 05:13 PM on 07/21/08} >Next you're going to tell me the Penthouse Forum letters are made up too. 次はペントハウスフォーラムの書き込みが捏造されたものであると発表するのでしょう。 &color(darkred){Image of belltolls belltolls at 05:13 PM on 07/21/08} >Next you are going to say the Penthouse and Hustler letters were written by starving novelists and screenwriters who later went on to great success using their real names. 次にペントハウスとハスラーの書き込みは飢えた小説家や実名を使う後に成功した映画脚本家が書いたと言うつもりでしょう。（？？？） &color(darkred){Image of RonMwangaguhunga RonMwangaguhunga at 05:15 PM on 07/21/08} >There goes my pet theory about the repression of Japanese businessmen and sexual perversity. Though the theory still holds remarkably well when applied to i-banker douchebags. これは結局、日本のビジネスマンや性的倒錯者による抑圧であるという私の持論に行き着きます。この理論は'i-banker douchebags'には驚くほどよく当てはまります（？？？） &color(darkred){Image of quinticire quinticire at 05:19 PM on 07/21/08} >When will Penthouse Forum be admitting to the same thing as the Mainichi Daily News just did. ペントハウスフォーラムには毎日がやったことと同じことを許してるじゃん。 &color(darkred){Image of mitchel_stevens mitchel_stevens at 05:20 PM on 07/21/08} >wow, cultural racism isn't true? >wait till spiegelman hears about this bombshell. わぉ、これって文化的差別じゃないかい？ スピーグルマンがこの事件を聞きつけるまで待ってようぜ。 &color(darkred){Image of it takes a lot to laugh it takes a lot to laugh at 05:22 PM on 07/21/08} >Just cause they made it up doesn't mean it's not true. 捏造だからっては必ずしも嘘であるとは限りません。 &color(darkred){Image of EleanorRigby EleanorRigby at 05:27 PM on 07/21/08} >Michael Weiss! Where have you been hiding lately? Sometimes I fear the NY Mag Sex Diaries are guilty of this crime (or, at the very least, some heavy editing), too. マイケル・ワイス！ あなたは最近隠れていますか？ 'NY Mag Sex Diaries'(もしくは、最低でももっともヘビーなエディタ)もこれと同罪であることを恐れています。（？？？） &color(darkred){Image of Gregoire Gregoire at 05:32 PM on 07/21/08} >Is Two Girls and a Cup also made up? 'Two Girls and a Cup'も捏造なの？ &color(darkred){Image of if_i_only_had_a_heart if_i_only_had_a_heart at 05:34 PM on 07/21/08} >but it still has truthiness しかし、これは依然として真実を含んでいます。 &color(darkred){Image of RonMwangaguhunga RonMwangaguhunga at 05:38 PM on 07/21/08} >@Gregoire: If Two Girls and a Cup is made up, then the special effects guy needs a Webby. もし'Two Girls and a Cup'が捏造なら、(？？？) &color(darkred){Image of metropolitan metropolitan at 05:40 PM on 07/21/08} >damn, i guess i'll have to go back to the onion to get the real facts on japanese sex stories. ちくしょう。日本のセックス事情に関する事実を得るためにオニオンに戻らないと。 &color(darkred){Image of Clarence Rosario Clarence Rosario at 05:44 PM on 07/21/08} >From the country that gave us hentai tentacle porn? Impossible! 変態触手ポルノを発信している国が？ ありえない！ &color(darkred){Image of Helman Helman at 05:48 PM on 07/21/08} >Wait, what? They don't sell used girls' underwear from vending machines in the subway?!?!? ちょっと待て。日本の地下鉄では使用済み下着を売ってないってこと？ &color(darkred){Image of DanLar75 DanLar75 at 05:51 PM on 07/21/08} >It's still all happening even if THESE instances were made up. Trust me, people are very inventive and the Japanese takes the cake! もし捏造であったとしても、全部今でも起こってることだよ。 僕を信じて。人々は非常に独創的で、日本人は(悪い方に)際立っています！ &color(darkred){Image of raincoaster raincoaster at 07:23 PM on 07/21/08} >Okay, fine. But I'm not taking down that story about the sailors using a school of stingray as a floating brothel. 分かったよ。でも、僕は漁師がアカエイの群れとセックスしているという話を'take down'したわけではない。 &color(darkred){Image of miss_msry miss_msry at 07:40 PM on 07/21/08} >So I can't go to Tokyo on my next servicey, sexicey vacation? Just as well, the dollar doesn't quite buy what it once did. ならば、次のサービシー(？？？)、セクシー休暇に東京に行けないか？ また、ちょうどドルは全く、それが一度したことを買うというわけではありません。（？？？） &color(darkred){Image of t2urner t2urner at 08:15 PM on 07/21/08} >They're covering this "controversy" now to distract us from discovering that the English version of Japan's Three Non-Nuclear Principles was also a mistranslation. 日本の非核三原則の訳が誤訳であったという発見から私達をそらすために、彼らはこの'論争'を利用しています。 &color(darkred){Image of SlickaNicka SlickaNicka at 10:44 PM on 07/21/08} >All I know is they have a word in Japanese that means "guy who gropes women on the subway." This happens often enough on the packed trains to merit a word. My Japanese friend, who lived for a while in the U.S., called out guys for attempting to grope her, which was against the norm since most Japanese girls are too demure and shy to stand up for themselves in those circumstances. 私の知っている日本語に「地下鉄で女性の体を弄る奴」という意味する単語があります。これは満員電車でしばしば起こることを表すのに有用な言葉です。しばらくアメリカに住んでいた私の日本の友人は、規範に逆らって痴漢を試みた輩に大声で叫びました。なぜなら、多くの日本女性はこれらの事情で自立できないほどおとなしく、また恥ずかしがりやだからです。 >Oh, there's also the Japanese comic "Rape Man." I don't see why they have to stretch the truth to uncover seedy sex habits over there, they seem pretty transparent. そういえば、日本には「レイプマン」という漫画がありますね。なぜ彼らが、見苦しいセックスの習慣を覆い隠すために嘘をつくのか、私には理解できません。本当に見え見えですね。 &color(darkred){Image of BeRightBack BeRightBack at 11:21 PM on 07/21/08} >@SlickaNicka: Far be it from me to try to somehow defend an entire culture as being without perversions or misogyny (you're right! They both exist in Japan!), but the word you're thinking of is 痴漢 ("chikan"), which means "molester/molestation [context gives you the part of speech]," though it has taken on the connotation of "groping on trains." If America used crowded trains to the extent that Japan does, my guess is that we'd have a word that referred to this specific behavior as well. After all, we have the expression "road rage," right? >And "Rapeman" is a comic that caused a scandal in the 1980s when it came out and is pretty much out of print and hard to find now; the scandal has fed a subculture of masturbating misogynist maniacs who think it's "hilarious" and have created a kind of mythology of its greatness; they comprise enough of market segment that a series of cheaply produced animated versions of it came out in the 1990s. I'm not sure that this constitutes proof of widespread and tolerated "seedy sex habits." >I mean, it's fun to think of an entire country as populated by sweaty, perverted salarymen molesting silent girls, and it's not like that fantasy doesn't expose its own kind of truth (much like The Clockwork Orange does for America), but I'm not sure calling it "knowledge about Japan" is quite called for. As I said, misogyny is quite present there, and you could even be justified in calling it a rape culture. But you could say the same thing about America, and for similar reasons. >I'm sorry if I seem humorless or ridiculously PC on this issue. I'm not usually (I linked to a picture of Kubota Shigeko painting with her vagina just today!). But I've reached my 'other cultures are gross and weird' limit for the day and ended up taking it out on you. I don't think less of you, but I just wanted to address these issues. &color(darkred){Image of mitchel_stevens mitchel_stevens at 11:56 PM on 07/21/08} >@BeRightBack: also, is "rapeman" anything like that shocking manga "yu-gi-oh!" which told me i could battle demons using a children's card game? BeRightBackへ: 遊戯王は、僕でも子供のカードゲームを使って悪魔と戦えるということを教えてくれた衝撃的な漫画だよ。「レイプマン」も同じようなものじゃないのかい？ >or is it more like sailor moon, which convinced me that young girls wear short skirts, fight demons and twirl a lot to show off their panties? because i totally believe all forms of animation and comic panel as "god given truth." それともセーラームーンみたいなものかな？ あれは短いスカートをはいた若い女の子が、彼女らのパンティを見せびらかすために、盛大に動き回りながら悪魔と戦うってことを僕に確信させたよ。なぜって、僕はアニメやマンガで示されているものは全部「神から与えられた真実」だと完全に信じているからね。 &color(darkred){Image of mitchel_stevens mitchel_stevens at 11:58 PM on 07/21/08} >@SlickaNicka: >and you. SlickaNickaへ: それから君。 >maybe you missed it, but rape isn't a big deal. the jezzies said so! get to williamsburg and grind up on the next Karen O-ish NYU sophomore you can find. it's cool! 多分君は分かってないと思うけど、レイプは大きな問題じゃないんだよ。jazziesもそう言ってるよ！ ？？？ >why? because "rapeman" is a goddamn comic/cartoon. whose plot is so incredibly stupid that those who take it as "TRUTH" have real problems. なぜって？ 理由は'レイプマン'がひどい漫画で、中身も信じられないくらいまぬけだってことだ。これを「真実」だと受け取る人間がいたらそれこそ問題だよ。 >and seriously, character designs rip off ninja gaiden. 深刻なことに、キャラクターデザインは忍者外伝をパクってるんだぜ。 &color(darkred){Image of mitchel_stevens mitchel_stevens at 11:59 PM on 07/21/08} >also. i'm incredibly trashed on bourbon. now is the time i wish to engage in debates about cultural fetishism and "new rape media." ついでに、今の俺はバーボンウィスキーで信じられないくらい壊れてるぜ。ちょうどフェチ文化や「新しいレイプメディア」に語り合いたいと思ってたところなんだ。 &color(darkred){Image of BeRightBack BeRightBack at 12:15 AM} >@mitchel_stevens: Oh, come on. I don't think either of us was saying that comics are documentaries. But pretending that fictions don't have social meanings (or that only documentaries do?) is equally dumb. mitchel_stevensへ: おお、歓迎します。漫画がドキュメンタリーであると主張している人はいないと、私は思っています。しかしながら、フィクションには社会的な意味が無い(ドキュメンタリーだけがそうですか？)と主張するのも同じくらいバカげたことです。 >And I'm sorry that Rapeman failed to live up to your exacting standards for mimesis, but you're not going to get me to say that it doesn't represent a misogynist fantasy at least to a certain extent, even though it's been seen by some as ironic or a "gag" comic. ？？？ >My point is that extrapolating from one sensationalized text to an entire culture is a bad idea, which I think you'd agree with me on, somewhere under all the bourbon and the otaku-ish wishes for comics (and therefore your own engagement with them) to be somehow beyond interpretation. 私の言いたいことは、ひとつの衝撃的な文章から文化全体を推定することはバカげたアイディアだということです。あなたもこれには賛同してくれるでしょう。 ？？？
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